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I’m hoping someone can explain this one to me . . .
In some churches/monasteries (In Greece, for example) females can’t or should not enter if they’re menstruating – not that they will be checked for it, but locals do ask that tourists respect the tradition.
Respect the tradition of disrespecting women? No thank you.
Agree. Slavery is a ‘tradition’ too.
That’s right, Dee. This is a double fail. Grammar AND sexism. FAIL!!
Not too surprised to see signs like this, especially if it is at a “sacred” site. Almost all Native American tribes have the same prohibition for sacred rituals and some tribes have restrictions on pregnant women as well. Although, it’s due to a much more “empowering” reason; a woman on her “moon time” is more spiritually powerful than a man and could possibly disrupt what the ritual is trying to accomplish if she has a different intent.
Yeah, you can’t let those powerful menstruating women make any decisions! They should feel empowered by being banned from places because their spiritual power might disrupt what the men of the tribe want!
It’s a matter of respect for women in North American indigenous tribes, it was common practice for women to actually rule and make decisions. The european traditions are of course disgraceful.
That was never a common practice. In any tribe. Can you find any example of a matriarchal culture? Not egalitarian, matriarchal.
Saying women’s power is harmful to decision-making because it detracts from the men’s interests is just as disgraceful.
In the Old Testament, or the Torah as the Jews refer to it, it is specifically prescribed (look in Leviticus) that menstruating women should be “sent out of the camp,” and not only were not supposed to take part in sacred rituals, but were supposed to avoid contact with anyone or anything. If a menstruating woman sits on a couch, the couch is to be burned. It never ceases to amaze me how little most professed Christians know about what is really in the Bible. (Personally, I’d prefer that PREmenstruating women be sent out of the camp, but I don’t expect to win that battle…)
I never heard that one before epically from a christian church. I think muslims have something like that though. I dont think it has anything to do with religious belief because there is nothing in the bible that says anything about woman on periods. I think it has more to do with sexist locals.
I’m afraid you’re mistaken. The authors of the Bible were actually quite clear about menstruation.
And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she shall be unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness.
Leviticus 15:19-30
And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.
Leviticus 20:18
How middle eastern is THAT? Anyway, it was before Tampax.
Thanks for the chuckle.
That doesnt count because it was before Jesus. After Jesus not only does that not apply but we can also eat Bacon!
It still applies to religious Jewesses, Someone.
There are a slew of restrictions for a married couple regarding these passages in the Jewish faith.
(Though a Jewess is still permitted into her place of worship during these times)
It applies to Ultra-Orthodox Jewesses, maybe. A bit extreme-sounding for even Modern-Orthodox women to follow. Being a Jew does not necessarily mean following the Tanakh to the letter.
Well that doesn’t qualify for ” not saying anything about women on periods” does it?
Most so-called “Bible believers” don’t really know what they’re agreeing to.
Fundamentalists just tend to focus on the passages they or their ministers like. The only clear denunciations of homosexuality are in the Old Testament (the Greek word that St. Paul used that was translated as “homosexuals” in the King James and many other versions of the Bible) actually would be better translated as “fornicators.” But there is a clear denunciation of homosexuality as being an “abomination before the Lord” in Leviticus. However, it is shortly followed by a passage condemning wearing of clothes woven from two different kinds of cloth, which is also an “abomination before the Lord.” But the Bible-thumpers will condemn homosexuality as a grave sin, but somehow never raise a complaint against cotton-wool blends.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Romans 1:24-17
Also We are no longer bound by the Law. We are to follow Christs example ,since He paid the price of sin with his own life, instead of the Old law. That marks the whole argument of cloth is now invalid.
Roses are reddish,
Violets are blueish,
If it wasn’t for Jeebers,
We’d all have been Jewish.
I have a very bad feeling about what happens to the turtles and pigeons…
Don’t worry! No reptiles were harmed! (Turtle refers to turtle-dove–– why must squee-inducing animals be sacrificed?)
Eeek, scary.
These bible people used any excuse to kill somebody and do this burnt offering thingy… I guess it consisted in burning somebody alive or stoning him/her to dead after raping them.
Scary those worshippers of the Zombie Lord. Eerie!
They didn’t hurt humans. Well, except for Jephthah–– but that’s another story. Burnt offerings and sin offerings were a common way of begging forgiveness and repenting. They were later replaced by prayer. After ritually killing the animal, they would either cook it, in which case the sacrificer would share the animal as a meal, with the priests, or they would completely burn it, so that it might be “of pleasing odor to the Lord.”
Oh, cool!
Voodoo! Let’s spill blood! LOL.
Uh… burnt offerings weren’t human. And “zombie lord”? I guess that might be considered accurate in a sense…
I should have scrolled down before commenting above!
Maybe that’s at the entrance to the Cat House at the zoo and they’ve had issues with menstruating women getting attacked by the cheetahs in the past.
Thank you! I was hoping there’d be a post in here somewhere that would be pertinent to the sign and make sense, too. I wasn’t expecting a biblical stroll down menses lane that lasted longer than my last period.
Gotta say I’m thinking this is also about women not being able to enter sacred grounds while menstrating, however it could also be at a zoo etc.
I work in the funeral home business, and in the past 15 years we’ve had two deaths from bear attacks because someone was on their period while camping. Sounds strange, but it truely does occur.
Bet of all is avoiding churches: Last time I went to one thy tried to baptise me.
Baptism or drowning- it’s all in the timing.
Agreed. I do not find institutionalized superstition reassuring at all.
…but it was your choice. You didn’t have to. You’re making it sound like they tried to force you to.
Obviously, you’ve never been cornered by a true religious fanatic. The pressure is incredible.
I grew up in an area of the country where there where at least yearly “revivals.” Everyone would get “saved” except for me, so I was the target for all the shiny zealots. I probably counted for more than one notch because I was such a hold-out.
I think I became like that character in the play “Rhinoceros.”
So far as I know, every religion has a history of “conversion by the sword.”
People who are convinced they are doing something to you for your own good can do some very ugly things.
The only major world religion without a significant history of conversion by the sword is Buddhism. But I believe strongly that forcing religion down people’s throats is one of the most significant reasons that so many people today have an aversion to any formal religion. As a minister, I have never and will never attempt to proselytize, convert, or persuade anyone to accept any particular belief. I see my role as helping that person to find something that they regard as sacred or transcendent. The only way my faith enters into that is that I do have faith that everyone does have, or at least can have, something sacred in their lives.
Obviously, you’ve never been cornered by a true religious fanatic. The pressure is incredible. It can only be described as forced spiritual sex, i.e. , gr@pe.
I grew up in an area of the country where there where at least yearly “revivals.” Everyone would get “saved” except for me, so I was the target for all the shiny zealots. I probably counted for more than one notch because I was such a hold-out.
I think I became like that character in the play “Rhinoceros.”
So far as I know, every religion has a history of “conversion by the sword.”
People who are convinced they are doing something to you for your own good can do some very ugly things.
Very interesting!! The entire sentence containing the r word was moderated out.
Where did you read that I have actually been baptised?
No way man! I’m allergic to water! I was just trying to make some pictures
And I also heard that you can often meet Pedobear in these places.
No, I was implying that they weren’t trying to force you to.
It means Aunt Flo ( You know, the obnoxious one on your dad’s side, who always gives out the crappy Christmas presents.) is not welcome in this establishment.
They never get the painters in. It’s wallpaper or nothing.
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lulz society win
I sympathize with them.
In the same way as it is fairly difficult to distinguish a coffee without sugar from a coffee without aspartam, Indonesians, who don’t express either ‘be’ nor ‘be concerned with’ will have some trouble guessing which one should be added when they feel neither should.
… and by the way, if you indeed are menstruation, they don’t want you to go in, right ?
So the sign is supposed to say “do not enter if you are concerned with menstruation”?
Nope, they where referring to Menstruation, the lead singer of the Death Metal band “Necrophagous Hamsters of Hell”. He’s been banned from half the bars and mosques in Jakarta for drunk and disorderly.
We can’t accuse them of stating the bleeding obvious.
I am not Aunt Flo, so I may enter.
They’re apparently Anti-Flo, though…
I are strong
I are invincable
I are menstruation!
When I first saw this I thought of a feminist rock band playing the tune to Iron Man and then yelling “I AM MENSTRUATION!!!”.
actually, in Indonesia, my country, these kinda things are quite normal. You see, in Indonesia, Mystical things such as spirits, ghosts, and entities are worshiped in some place that are considered “holy” (strong mystical activities. In some cases, women who are menstruating keeps on entering and experienced weird things like roaring wind, and even fallen trees by lightning bolt when there is even no cloud around. The text is wrong, it supposed to say “please do not enter if you are menstruating at the time”. You really don’t want to mess with the entities in Indonesia, especially in small villages, even if they are sometimes quite a tourist attraction. haha
PSA # 2: Did you know that full grown iguanas will try to kill a pregnant human if she gets to close. It has something to do with pheromones a human gives off when shes “knocked up”. Most couples who own an iguana dont know this and learn the hard way either from their vet or an attack.
“Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.”
O.O!!!
I’m gonna have to look more into this. I have several female friends who own iguanas.
OMFG. LOL!
Weirdest thing I read since a lot of time, lol.
But normally it’s the other way around, the woman trying to kill the iguana and everything in a radius of 2km from here when she’s having her PMS.
I don’t recall PMS and pregnancy being the same thing…
If I remember correctly, I think Dr. Handle works with Iguanas, let’s just hope she’s using protection and doesn’t become pregnant. I’d hate to think what she would do to those Iguanas.
The other half is deciding whether to roast or slow bake the iguana to satisfy that weird craving.
In Mexico iguanas are considered tasty food.
The of course “taste like chicken”
Its ok though if you have the Ghost Busters to protect you!
be very careful!
I are baboon.
I. M. Weasel
I is stupid.
I knew people wouldn’t understand this… there are quite a few religions in the world, especially older ones, that prohibit menstruating women from entering buildings of worship. The reason is that it’s not the woman that’s “unclean” but the BLOOD. Blood is regarded as life so blood outside the body, in a place of worship, is bad.
To my knowledge this is true for Hindus and Muslims. The sign above is probably outside a mosque.
If its true for muslims then why are they always blowing up each others mosques? Now thats what I call a contradiction!
When people are blown up lots and lots of blood is spilled. Thats why its a contradiction in case you were confused for some reason. And im not exaggerating when I say always. I hear about some mosque being blown up in some middle eastern country for what seems like at least once every month or two.
Sorry, logic doesn’t enter religion.
That’s not true!
Muslims have minute care to avoid shedding blood when blowing stuff up. That’s why they have the towels in their heads for: When they blow up stuff they use the towels to clean up the blood. These towels are later wrenched in a bowl with onions and flour to make delicious blood pudding!
Sign outside a mosque? Possibly, cos when muslim girls get our periods, we are excused from prayers and fasting and any activity that might be inconvienient (especially the latter part, can’t mess with really bad cramps’ days). I think it started out as a very gentlemanly thing. If the sign above really means a place of worship, I think they’re trying to say the monks don’t sell emergency pads or don’t have a seperated privacy outhouse nearby.
A-hem. When I added “monks” I was also thinking the sign might be from a non-muslim establishment. Heck, the world’s atill a big place~
Bull. I notice there are no signs against open wounds or even paper cuts then.
Logic and religion?? I think not!
Uh… yeah, that makes sense. And just how often have YOU seen people wandering around with open, bleeding wounds?
Bible thumpers that think prayer can cure all that ails ya and doctors are evil evil people who only want your money. I have an uncle like that, scares me when he tells my gramma to stop taking her Rx drugs because the doctors only want to keep her alive to keep making money off of her and that the lord is trying to call her home and she will go to hell for not going when she is called.
I think I saw one of these signs outside of a temple in Bali.
So does this mean everyone needs to check for PMS ?
I NOT HAS A PMS GET OUT OF MY WAY I ARE COMING IN!!!!!!!!
No.
-hopes SS is strong enough to withstand Dr. handle.
Nah, she hasn’t been around for a couple of days, so I should be safe for a while…
Uh oh. Best to put principles aside on this one…
…that’s what he said.
A lot of interesting info in this thread, thought I might add to it.
In a pre-antibitotic society the fear of a woman menstruating is actually quite understandable and the seclusion from others quite logical. the blood in itself isn’t tainted but easily becomes so when in contact with air, heat and so on.
A bit too tired at the moment to fully re-cap a five hour discussion on sociological, theological and bacteriological practises of pre-B.C. societes but you get the general idea.
Although many of them had a rather twisted view on women some of the rules were actually quite sane, even if the wording in the bible basically sucked a$$ from a modern point of view
“theological and bacteriological practises of pre-B.C. societes”
Ummm…it’s 2010 now. Time for archaic sexist ideas to be done with. I can’t believe people enable ignorance like this because “it’s tradition.”
I just realized a blunder I made there… not the one that people would attack the statement but rather the “pre-B.C” thingie.
Wow, the girls really have their panties twisted up over this, huh? Listen honey, go out to the kitchen and bake some cookies, that always makes a woman feel better.
Yes of course it does.
I’ve heard that some ladies consider arsenic to be a spice.
Just in case someone may need an attitude adjustment.
Or so I’m told…
Actually, I love baking cookies, knitting and gardening… but then I also love paintball, snowboarding and making more money than my husband
:):)
My thoughts exactly, Maggi. Only change it to “I hate cooking and baking, I’d rather just f*ck all day.”
Oh yeah and fix his computer or phone for him. 
WIN.
according to google translate, it actually means:
“please do not enter if you are coming month”
look, idk either. /:(
Google Translate is useful, but does not always list the full idiomatic meanings of words/phrases. The words “datang bulan” literally mean coming month, but as a phrase, its translation is “menses”. If you want to say coming month, use “bulan yang datang” (“month which is to come”). And yes, I live in Indonesia and speak the language, btw:-).
I want a portion of Bulan Yang Datang with extra sambal and kroepuk!
OK. There will be a bit of a wait, though.
Would you like a few drinks while you’re waiting? Bloody Mary is the house special!
Selamat makan!
Relax, guys. They’re scared of bears… they can smell the menstruation.
Maybe at a public bath or hotspring???
PERIODS ARE OF THE DEVIL!!!
And what about exclamation marks? Or question marks?!?!
WIN
Naw, those are safe, it’s the colon ya gotta wach out for… crappy little demons they are.
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Well, when I get 2 colons, I can do this –
A wise man once opined that the use of multiple exclamation and/or question marks is a clear sign of a deranged mind.
Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…
Could be a sign at a sex club in Amsterdam…
yeah… maybe…
I came to this church to do 3 things
1.chew gum
2.change my tampon
3.KICK ASS
Hmmmm, that’s written in english and Indonesian
Indonesian people are mostly moslem, so there’s a rule if a woman’s having a period, she’s forbidden to enter the mosque.
It’s just indonesian are not good with english
altoug it is written in Indonesia, usually mosque dont have that kind of announcement. That sign usually put in Bali (where most people are hindu) in front of their sacred temple and ,yes, it related with spiritual presence. They wont do a body search, but if you are on your period and enter the temple, usually something magical (in a bad way..) will happen to you…
its my language, its indonesians language. some people there can’t talk english really good. that sign is in front of a mosque
gak semua masjid ada tanda itu (jarang malah!) biasanya aku lihat di pasang depan kuil di bali
bwahahaha… translate it!
“All mosques have that sign. Usually I see it posted in front of temples in Bali.”
thats in Bali, a Hindu temple i think
yeah. for sure. look at the bricks, it’s definitely a temple
It’s amazing how anti-sexists are control freaks who denounce everything of the atmosphere and system that doesn’t even include them. So a religion forbid menstruating women from some acts and places of worship, and here you are being atheist and anti-sexist claiming like you’re Virgin Mary tumbling down in worship 24-7 to be that pissed off.
And whitey atheists, ooh religions are always spread by the sword, and such histories are so appalling compared to, let’s say World Wars, the Cold War, White Man’s Burden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, slavery of Africans, stealing minerals all over the world by playing one side against another, supporting Jews to kill Palestinians. When faced with these, you’ll say
“Ooh, it wasn’t me, it was my country. Apparently the race that slaughtered Red Indians isn’t Caucasian. Apparently colonialism wasn’t started by white men. Apparently white people didn’t enslave blacks. Apparently it wasn’t us colonialists who drained Africa of her diamonds. I didn’t do anything lalala. I didn’t vote for that guy. If my country isn’t America my country didn’t do anything, we just stayed silent, and whee look at us, we want to control others by wanting them to reform and condemning them.”
Either September 11 didn’t take enough souls, or took the wrong souls.
You ladies and gentlemen can go screw yourselves to hell.
Is it your time of the month or something?
this must be in indonesia. HAHA. but malaysia is just as bad.
Actually this is in Malaysia. Indonesian language is slightly different from Malaysian.
Yeap, that sign’s defo Malaysian – its written in Malay, not Bahasa Indonesia. And it’s outside a mosque/surau.
For the record Hindu temples have no such restrictions – you wouldn’t find a sign written in Malay outside a Hindu temple anyways ( or at very least, it would be highly unlikely).
but what if i are wet dream? ):
whutsever. lolz
but then who was phone?